Thriving in a Toxic World with Chernobyl Survivor Katrine Volynsky
Hi and welcome to Raw Food Magazine. My name is Sara Grove and today, I’m here with Katrine Volynsky, co-author of Staying Alive In A Toxic World. Katrine is a sport nutritionist, a wellness coach and heavy metals detoxification specialist. After she grew up in Russia and after being negatively affected by radiation fallout from Chernobyl, she had to find her own path to health and treating herself of her own radiation and toxicity. And so she gained a wide knowledge of natural methods for detoxifying and rebuilding the body.
So now she helps individuals achieve their own health goals through the combination of state-of-the-art technology, nutrition, and holistic healing and coaching. And so, welcome, Katrine. We’re so glad to have you here today.
Katrine: Thank you, Sara. It’s a beautiful day and I’m so glad to be sharing some of the information that has worked for me and my clients. And I think it’s a very important time to take into account a lot of the things that we’re being exposed to, and also, make changes in our health, according to where we’re at in our life, where we’ve been, and what kind of lifestyle we’re living.
And so, for myself, what you’ve said, my journey to health started when I was exposed to radiation in Chernobyl. And I was very fortunate to grow up in Russia because from one side, I was exposed to things like heavy metals, radiation, the amount of toxic exposure. But on another side, I was also exposed to a very natural type of living. All the families in Russia eat from their garden. Every summer I was spending time in my grandmother’s garden, knowing how things grow, knowing what real food tastes like. I think in a lot of ways, after being in Chernobyl and having a lot of my peers getting sick and pretty much everyone in my family having cancer, we were very lucky we didn’t lose anyone to any cancer or radiation sickness. And so it was, kind of – we were spared in that way but I did see a lot of that happening all around me. So for me, one of my saving graces was the fact that I did eat from nature. And it was really funny too, that ever since I was very little, I declared that I was vegetarian … So, it was really funny because in Russia, you know, it’s like really meat and potatoes, yes, and lots of vegetables and fermented vegetables.
Sara: What motivated that as a child? Why did you make that stand?
Katrine: I don’t know, it just didn’t feel right in my body and so like at that time there wasn’t any kind of spiritual or anything about the animals or anything like that in my life. But I did, I was quite in-tuned with energy. So I also was a lot around that, you know, like the Russian healers, called Bapkas [ph], the old ladies –
Sara: Right, right.
Katrine: They have knowledge of the herbs and energy work and so like I was around those ladies a lot too. So, I think I was intuitively kind of in-tuned as to what is needed for me and not as influenced by my peers and my family. So, for me it was really good obviously at doing in Chernobyl because a lot of people that were getting extremely sick were getting sick from the fact that they were consuming dairy products and beef products, animal products that were basically compounding a lot of radioactive particles.
And that was not the case for me. Of course, I was still getting exposed to radiation from motors and air, and some from the fruit and vegetables. But I did not get double exposure that some of my other family members got from animal products. So, for me it was like this kind of saving grace, so that I think helped as well. But, it did stay in my body. I did get affected. Probably when I was in my – not probably, when I was in my teenage years, I started getting a lot of different hormonal disturbances and I was moved away into the city.
So it was like with getting older and still having it in the body, and also being in a more kind of toxic environment, not having as much connection to earth, and also being a teenager, and moving away from all the healers and energy work. Now I look at it and I see how it all happened. But that time, of course, you don’t understand any of this. So when I was a teenager, I became quite ill and a lot of hormone problems, extreme anemia, got into a place where I basically bled out internally and I was clinically dead. And so basically my heart stopped. And so, that was another experience of life.
Sara: How old were you when that happened?
Katrine: I was 17 at that time. And so, it did change my life quite a lot. It took me years to realize what had happened and, you know, like for me spiritually and it took me probably, yeah, probably another 10 years until I really understood everything that had happened and what kind of implication now it’s having for my life. But, going back to what happened then, is basically I got treated by Western medicine and they said, we’ll just give you a whole bunch of hormones and whole bunch of pills and you’ll be fine, right. So they didn’t go through the process.
And so, I did that and then I moved to North America and the funny interesting thing that happened and that happens to a lot of Eastern Europeans, the first thing they notice is there is something wrong with the food here. It was like so profound because we didn’t know that we had to go to like an organic, you know, store who focus on them. We just went to Safeway or whatever store that is and you are buying food and feeling how empty it was and there was like, wow, there is something different about the food here. So there was that kind of realization as well. So, I started living a normal North American lifestyle and got involved into that whole “Race for success”. You know, all the things you’re being told that you need to be doing and I’m going to university, doing a double major, going to, you know, master’s program, finance, going into banking. All the things that you’re “supposed to do”. To be successful. But I was also feeling very empty inside in a lot of ways. Like I knew something was wrong, at the same time my body started breaking down quite a bit. And I think it was the combination of the stress and also again, living the North American lifestyle. Being exposed to more toxins and not eating very well anymore. And I was doing a lot of dieting, a lot of crazy stuff, and partying too like a teenager, or more like a young adult – the jet set lifestyle. So it was the combination of that and still not being healed from what had happened to me when I was in my teenage years, and of course, exposure to radiation. It was just for a year that my body started completely breaking down. All my systems started, basically, not working and I had to stop everything I was doing and start looking for answers. So I’d gone the Western way first.
Sara: What were some of the symptoms or the things you experienced? How did you know that something was wrong?
Katrine: Well, chronic fatigue, chronic myalgia, my hair started falling out, my teeth started rapidly breaking down and falling out too, so that’s like crazy, you know –
Katrine: You’re like, losing your teeth, you know, my dentist was freaking out. He was like, I’ve never seen anything like this in a 20-year-old. I could see something that happens to a person when they’re like sixty or seventy. And so, there were these rapid problems like especially these hormones as well and not being able to get out of the bed, you know, pain all over the body, problem with the kidneys. So it’s like, it started happening so fast and it was so – in so many ways it was so scary that I went the Western way, even though I knew that it’s not something that I should have done, and started checking myself out.
And no one could give me an answer of what was happening. They’re just like, yup, you’re breaking down and you’re probably at this state have, you know, couple of years but we can’t help you, we don’t know what’s going on with you. And it wasn’t until my grandma said, “Hey, you know, you probably still have an effect from radiation. You should check for that.” So I did and then of course I still have the active particles in my body and plus all the damage that I have done to myself with the lifestyle and toxic exposures.
So all of that kind of combined, got into a place where there was like, well, if medical society doesn’t have an answer for me, then I should just go back to the roots, you know, go back to eating very simple, trying to find some way to exercise and like trying to start looking for people that didn’t have answers and healers now turns at medicine and therapists. So basically I quit everything I was doing and then sold everything that I had and spent the next two years experimenting on myself because that was the only way to find out what would work and what not.
So, there were many water fasts, many juice fasts and getting eventually into raw food, going vegan, and that all happened naturally even without me like reading a lot about the benefits of raw food. It was just, kind of like the more detox I was doing the more it was natural for me not to eat any kind of animal protein, but I’m repeating towards more liquid and more live diet. And for a couple of years, it was kind of two steps forwards, three steps back, one of those things, a lot of detoxing on the couch.
A lot of things that I’ve done to myself and now I go like, oh my God, why did I do this, you learn, I mean that’s how you learn, that’s how you experiment. I met a lot of amazing healers and amazing teachers and finally there was one person that had changed all of it for me and his name is Dr. Michael O’Brien and he was an enzyme specialist and basically, he said, “Katrine, you have all of your enzymes going out of your body and basically even being dry and doing all the juicing, fasting that you’re doing is not bringing enough of their works as the somatic potential because when you’re exposed to radiation, you have so much for radical damage in your own somatic systems, antioxidant systems that you have in the body work so hard. And they’ve been working so hard for so long. And there is none left in the body to basically fix itself. Let’s say, you keep bringing the materials, the raw food, all the supplements that you’re taking but there’s no one to build you a big new house in your body.” So, that kind of made sense to me and basically I went on his protocol, 420 days of enzymatic therapy, and staying raw and juicing and more just doing that. And of course exercising –
Sara: What does enzymatic therapy look like or what do you mean when you say that?
I was changed so much, you know, I was changed from a very sickly looking person into a completely radiant and healthy ball of energy
Katrine: Yeah, enzymatic therapy basically means taking lots of digestive and systemic enzymes that are not anymore based on the plant enzymes. And basically all living things have enzymes in them. Enzymes are like workers and are used for pretty much all of the chemical processes that are going on in our bodies daily. All the raw living things have them and animals have them. And when we eat a lot of the living food through raw food, it has its own enzymes in it.
So our body doesn’t have to use its own potential what it usually uses for metabolic processes and uses those enzymes that are coming with the food to help digest it. So the more food we eat that has basically no enzymes because it’s exposed to heat or it’s been grown in commercial soil and has no minerals, has not dry protein or has been exposed to chemicals, the less our bodies have the ability to extract those enzymes from the food and have to use its own. Okay, enzymatic therapy, what it does is basically you’re taking the digestive enzymes that are based on plant sources and usually it’s like a type of mushroom and bacteria and fungus and they extract from it.
And it has the basic enzymes, lipase, which is for digestion of fats, proteins for digestion of veggies, amylase for digestion of carbohydrates and cellulose for digestion fiber. So basically you are eating raw, still you’re eating a lot of foods that has natural enzymes in it but you’re also taking in a lot of enzymes in a supplemental form to basically help you rebuild your own bank account in the body.
Katrine: Because what I’ve been taught and I truly believe that because I’ve been working with so many people and also being exposed to Dr. O’Brien’s work and doing a lot of my research is that Dr. Howell who was like the father of enzyme therapy in 1920 wrote a whole book. It’s among my favorite books to tell people to read, it’s Enzyme Nutrition. And basically, in that time already he said our body has this specific enzymatic disability or how much enzymes they can make over time. And obviously enzymes are used for everything and your body can make enzymes that are made from metabolic processes and enzymes that are made for – can be used for digestive processes.
So the more it has to spend on digesting the food, the less is left from the metabolic processes. And also when we’re aging, we lose enzymes. Because the things slow down, there is more things to clean up. By the time the person is 40 years old, they only have 30% of enzymes left that they were born with. So it’s a part of aging process. So, when the body is taking enzymes from supplemental form, basically what happens as you fill up that bank account especially if you’ve been like writing those checks really fast like, you know, the radiation, like me, right? Because my body has been trying to fix itself for so long, right?
Using that and using that with enzymatic potential and there was nothing left to it. Even when I was putting the right materials in my body, there was nobody left to put them where it’s supposed to be.
Katrine: So, for me it was my saving grace in a lot of ways. It had completely changed my health. And even though I was already raw and I was already eating, doing a lot of fasting, cleansing and, doing a lot of things that help, it did not make as much of a difference until I did this hormonal tragic problem which basically changed my whole physicality. People will be stopping in the street and trying to find out what I was doing.
Katrine: So I was changed so much, you know, I was changed from a very sickly looking person into a completely radiant and healthy ball of energy and, of course, the whole healing process starts up a whole spiritual journey and the journey into self-exploration. I also think that if someone needs to heal, you can’t just heal the physical. You really have to look at your emotional and spiritual outlook on your life and kind of dig there because as my mentor said, Dr. Michael O’Brien, there is no incurable disease. There’s only incurable people.
Sara: I love that.
Katrine: Yeah, it’s like it’s us finding or examining the purpose for being here and then just giving up a whole bunch of stuff that is holding our minds and completely not true.
Sara: So that was highly, highly effective for you and it’s so wonderful and thank you for telling us a little bit about it. And it sounds like you’ve also, I mean, if it’s out there, you’ve kind of tried it and tested it. I mean, you’ve water fasted, done colonics, juice fasted, all sorts of things. Is there any extreme thing that you would never recommend where you’re like, whoa, that was a bust?
Katrine: You know, I don’t think there’s such a thing as an extreme thing, I think everyone is going through their own journey. It’s just, a lot of the things that I did, were not done properly. Or they were not done in proper times. A lot of people think that water fasting for 40 days is extreme. But it can be extremely healing if done at the right time. If you were in the right body cycle and emotional state.
Katrine: So, I wouldn’t say that there are things that I wouldn’t recommend. The extreme is just a lot of things that people do nowadays, they just tried because they heard from someone else or they, you know, looked it up online like I did, right? But because they’re used not in the right time or our bodies are not meant to do it at that time like, for example, our bodies have like three main cycles, they are either in a present cycle, either on the building cycle or feeding. So if someone is really weak, like I was, and they’ve just been dealing with lots of adrenal issues, have chronic fatigue, lots of these things and just hardly able to move around. And they go, let’s say, on their water fast or dry fast where they don’t even eat anything, a lot of time it will do more damage because there’s not enough of energy to cleanse. If it’s actually good then you have to do it nicely, you have to recognize where you’re at or work with someone who can help you to recognize that.
And feed your bodies more nutrition, maybe go on a specific raw food cleanse or even juice, juicing. Let’s say, do vegetables. Something not as extreme as that time, and it kinda builds down into a place where you’re a little bit more fat, your body has a little bit more energy and now the body goes like: “Ok, now I can cleanse”. And then you can go and do a 40 day water fast or dry fast. Something like that. So recognizing where you’re at in a cycle is very important for everybody .And using those techniques and procedures, diet and cleansing of procedures in the right time for the person. So I don’t think there’s such thing as extreme, only such a thing as extreme in the wrong time.
Sara: Right, to give all these different tools to help heal yourself and cleanse yourself and rebuild but if you’re doing them at a time your body is not prepared for it –
Sara: It could be harmful instead of helpful.
Katrine: Being gentle is very important too. For example, when I was on my healing journey, I was pushing a lot because I was so frustrated. So I was pushing my body in a lot of ways, trying to get somewhere instead of letting the healing happen. So by trying to get somewhere, like really pushing and not listening, I did a lot of damage and that’s why I have some of these bad experiences with some of the sort of cleansers, it’s not because the cleanse didn’t work or let’s say the technique didn’t work. It’s because I was too focused on just, you know, getting out of the situation where I was and I wasn’t listening. Okay, does that make sense?
Sara: Yeah, that makes complete sense.
Katrine: So that’s like –
Sara: And, I’m curious to kinda sidetrack a little bit. So I mean, you obviously were dealing, well, if there is the food in North America and there is lifestyle but also radiation from childhood and so there are maybe people listening that are like, well, I haven’t been exposed to radiation or toxicity that I’m aware of.
Sara: You know, why is this applicable to me? What are some concerns that the everyday person should be aware of? How would you even go about finding out your own toxicity level?
Katrine: Right, so number one, there is no such thing as a person who hasn’t been exposed to toxins. It’s like, it does not exist anymore here unless you live in some pristine place in Himalayas or something like that, even there you can get some toxic stuff anyway. So, nowadays, in the last hundred years, we have changed our environment so much that our bodies haven’t had time to catch up and to basically adjust to it. It’s one of the reasons you see so many high cancer rates. We have a cancer rate of 1 in 2 nowadays. And all the diabetes and aging problems. It’s because we’ve changed our environment toxicology point of view so rapidly.
A hundred years ago and if you look at the age of the average person’s lifespan, the average of a person’s life span was 40 years old, right? So, a lot of people call it, well, you see, you know, we actually learned to live longer.
Katrine: But that is not true. It’s not at all because if you look at the whole structural population, you were looking at the average because a lot of the infants were dying, right? So they have a really high rate of infant and child deaths because they didn’t have a lot of the bacterial and inflectional control that we do now. So when the person did make it up to 30 years old, they lived through these years without any problems. They didn’t have cancer, they didn’t have diabetes, they didn’t have, you know, those high rates of degeneration disease. They just live their life, go to sleep and they died, right?
So there was lot of that happening, a lot of people are more aware. So they think they actually learned to live longer. No, we didn’t learn to live longer, you know?
Katrine: We learned to live better for our children but we are still learning actually how to live longer in an environment that is so toxic. If you look at the map of all the nuclear testing and you’ll see there’s actually a map on YouTube and I can send you a link, you can have a look at it at how much test they’ve done over the last 50 years.
Sara: Yeah, that’d be great.
Katrine: So there aren’t many areas in the United States that have not been affected by some of the radiation fallout, right, whether it is from the leaking power stations or from nuclear testing. So, it is happening all the time because a lot of people like you go, well, I haven’t been affected with radiation but that’s just not true because we are living in an environment that is highly also radioactive and in United States, we have about 90% of our nuclear reactors that are working at capacity or over capacity.
So when they are meant to be working for so long and they are working beyond their capacity, you know there must be some kind of leakage going on. And there is actually, to those people that are interested in this, they can go to FukushimaSolutions.com and there is a whole DVD set from a whole bunch of nuclear experts explaining what is happening to those nuclear stations and why it’s affecting the population. So we are being affecting about that. And you know, like after Fukushima, there was a lot of people that have their own radiation meters because people being concerned about the active exposures.
And they are posting information on radiation networks about the activity levels here. But it’s actually interesting to see what was happening before Fukushima and I will tell you the levels here and there were higher than normal anyway because you’re being exposed to this stuff all the time. And as far as toxins, heavy metals and everything, I do have analysis with people, urinalysis too for looking for heavy metal particles and I have not met one person, one person, doesn’t matter how healthy they are, doesn’t matter how raw they are or anything, that have not had some kind of levels of heavy metals, especially aluminum and barium because there is such a thing as chemtrails, I’m not going to get into that but there is such a thing, we are being sprayed for whatever reason .But it is getting to our bodies and that’s one of the reasons why we use so much aluminum in people’s hair. So, everybody has that –
Sara: What about, are there some common everyday things that put us at risk like products or food?
Katrine: Oh yeah, absolutely. You’re absolutely right. There are obviously food sources that are fertilized with pesticides that are highly toxic, you know, that are building up in the body .And also a lot of the products – consumer products that we use, anything from skin care, you know, makeup to products that we use at home. And so a lot of people that let’s say use Tide, and there are a lot of chemicals that are in that and it’s getting into our skin. So I always tell people that you shouldn’t be putting anything in your skin that you’re not gonna eat, because your skin is your second kidney.
And a lot of people use products that are completely heavily dosed with heavy metals, right? And so there is a lot of that in the consumer environment. And, so we’ve been exposed to it all the time. Well, some things we can control and, you know, maybe get an air filter and get a, let’s say, water filter and maybe you switch our products from skincare products, from non-organic commercial ones to organic, edible ones, right? But there are other things that we can’t control. So what I usually tell people is you can’t get away from toxicity. We are being exposed to it all time. There is no way you can get away from it. It’s just everybody has different levels of being able to deal with it. Do anything we can do as find a way for our bodies to deal with it effectively on a daily basis. So putting things into practice that can help us remove this on daily basis, have our bodies optimized, being able to adjust to any environment and basically to me is evolution. Yes, of being able to adapt to the environment that we had created.
Katrine: And I think it’s very irresponsible to create an environment like this that we have. And don’t teach our children and don’t teach ourselves how to live in it.
Sara: How to actually survive in it. Before we jump in, I’m curious to know, you know, some recommendations or some practical ways that you have for us to kind of be proactive about this but I’m curious maybe some evidence or some ways that you can start recognizing that you are a toxic person or like what sort of ways would that manifest in your life? Like how do you have some kind of clue into that?
Katrine: Well, you know, a very common one, fatigue, brain fog, consistent infections, a lot of the little aches and pains that people are having nowadays, migraines, lot of those, or constipation, that has a lot to do obviously with our digestive tract, it’s like the number one thing that needs to be cleaned out for many reasons. But any kind of problems with digestive functions, that usually has to do with toxins and this leaking, got leaking too many toxins into the body. So we’re not just removing the toxic particles and toxic material that’s stored but also repairing the gut wall. So that’s some of things and of course –
Sara: So, it doesn’t have to be like an extreme case like we can recognize some of these.
Katrine: Absolutely, yeah.
Sara: That’s most people, kind of like thinking, oh, this is just how life feels, you know, you have kind of discomfort on a daily basis and that’s just what it’s gonna be. But you are saying that there is, you know, you don’t have to actually feel like that every day.
Katrine: Absolutely. You know, you don’t have to feel – like, I always say that I didn’t know what that was – what healthy was until I got really healthy. Like that was, it was – I thought it was normal to use the birth control pills to control my period, right? I thought it was normal to wake up and need coffee to, you know, to get out of bed. Like I thought that was all normal, or you know, needing to just pass out as soon as I get home, not being able to do anything. So there were a lot of things being taught that this is normal. And it’s like, you go to the doctor – I remember going to the doctor and saying, I’m not really concerned because I only have like a bad mood every couple of days and he said, that’s normal, I do too. You know –
Sara: Oh, really?
Katrine: Things like that. So, and we also get very disconnected from our bodies. You know, a lot of the things that I teach people and a lot of the things, you know, like probably people that you interviewed teach people too. They help us get back with our own selves and what feels good and what feels, what feels right for our bodies. We have been taught so much to listen to other people. To listen to everybody else, to nutritionists, to the doctors, to the diet magazine that we have forgot that we have, you know, this internal knowledge of what our body needs.
So a lot of the things that we teach people, especially taking some of these toxic materials out of the body which basically blocks our ability to communicate with our body. They help you learn what is important for this person because we are – for ourselves as a person, because we are so different. We are all different. For one person, raw food will be the miracle. For another person, not at all. Because this is not where they’re at and that’s what needed for them. So that’s why there is so much confusion, you know, and a lot of times even in the same industry, a lot of person says: “Oh, you should just eat all fruit”. And another person says: “Oh, that’s horrible. You shouldn’t be eating fruit, you shouldn’t be eating this and that.” Then another person comes in. You know, people get confused.
So I get a lot of time very confused and very educated clients, I was like, well, what I do? You know, which one of these principles do I apply? So what you do is you learn to listen, you know, learn to listen and you go start it by taking some of the toxic material out and that’s why I think a lot people in our society can benefit from going vegan and going more toward raw. Or using some of the raw cleansing or juicing because it helps us to know a bit more about our bodies and what works and what doesn’t.
Sara: Absolutely because sometimes, I mean even in my own journey experience when you are eating a lot of the toxic and especially the highly addictive foods, that’s gonna be what you crave, that’s what’s on your mind. Because you have formed this addiction to it. And once those are cleared out, then you start hearing and feeling your cravings and your desires for things that are actually, you know, being nutritious and feeding your body.
Katrine: Absolutely, absolutely. You know, human beings – I always say this human beings are the only animals on the planet that need to be told what to eat. And you know, there is like that, because it’s a part of the – a part of it just living in this very highly advanced society and like being progressive from science and having internet, for Christ’s sake. You know, all of these kind of things, we live in this mental space, right, and we do have a lot of addictive things, substances and, you know, even TV, that’s addictive too.
That takes us out from our own inner self where we have all the answers we need. We truly do. And it’s just getting hooked into that and really feeling that and getting rid of a lot of the things that basically block this communication with our own body, that’s where it’s at, that’s what is important. It can be different ways, you know, it could be still cleansing, it could be still eating raw food, it could be still just giving up meat or sugar. You know, a lot of people have massive, massive transformations just doing couple of weeks of no sugar and, you know, no meat and let’s say in some of the junk food, so they just really feel better.
Sara: Yeah, absolutely. Everyone has to start somewhere and it sounds like what you’ve experienced is once you’ve tried one thing, then it leads you to something else and something else and something else and you continue learning and educating and continuing to cleanse yourself. I’m curious to hear from your point of view, especially those two years or during that time when you started to kind of internally clean yourself, what are some of the changes or transformations that you personally experience? Like what do you feel now that you never did before?
Katrine: Well, obviously a lot of energy. You have a lot of clarity, a lot clarity and, you know, what’s important, you actually also like I said, you hear those messages as well. I wake up, I know that I need Vitamin C for whatever reason that my body is like, let’s say, cold coming on or something like this. So there’s a lot of internal knowledge. Of course better skin tone, staying pretty much lean through a lot of those times since I started doing that, so not having problems too much with my weight or anything like this.
And not getting sick. I don’t really remember the last time I was sick, which I think the last couple of times that I was not feeling well is when I started traveling a lot in Asia and I’ve picked up a couple of bugs over there but I was able to fix that quite fast. So just a lot of clarity, a lot of energy, a lot of just ability to handle massive information as well, so, because we are being engrained with so much information from all over the place that I like to integrate a lot of things, so that was like for me mental capacity has gone up quite a bit as well.
And obviously the physicality, you know, being able to cope, there’s a lot of the demands that I put on my body because I do a lot of athletic performance and I did spend time in Fukushima as well, that’s another thing too. But after Fukushima it happened, I got an amazing opportunity to be there and to work there. So I knew that I wasn’t in a good place to even be able to handle any kind of stress that I could get from radioactive particles there.
Katrine: So like just ignoring –
Sara: If there’s anyone, really quick, for anyone who was not aware of the events that went on, could you touch on Fukushima and what happened there?
Katrine: Yes. So, of course, Chernobyl, we’ve touched on that briefly. Chernobyl had happened in 1985 and there was one, the first massive nuclear disaster that happened in Russia and affected most of the Europe and of course Russia and Belarus and all the countries there. Radioactive particles have made it all the way to United States and they still continued being here in environment. Now, it’s probably 28 years later. And the Fukushima had happened 25 years later in Japan, in March of 2010, of 2011, I’m sorry.
And that was due to an earthquake and subsequent tsunami that basically crushed the wall in the nuclear facility in Japan. And this event in Fukushima has been going on now for, how many years now? Three years, that they’ve been trying to deal with it and it’s still not contained and still but there’s leakage happening and it’s going into the ocean and it’s going to the atmosphere, of course going to groundwater in Japan. And it’s still being dealt with and it’s still something that a lot of people that were concerned about it, learned just happened, and you know, at that time a lot of them were just basically getting all the eye bag out of the story, you know, panicking and getting radiation liters.
A lot of them kind of forgot about it but it’s still happening. It still happens, it’s still affecting our environment and still hasn’t been dealt with. It’s still, you know, some of radiation was making it out here and it’s gonna be in our environment for quite a long time because some of those particles can stay, you know, hundreds of years in the environment and it’s definitely changing it as well. So, that’s kind of – and of course the Fukushima happened since I was in Chernobyl and I was, yeah, closely affected by that.
It’s a very interesting experience because the day of event in Fukushima, I had finished my book, Staying Alive in a Toxic World and literally my editor was reading it and going like, oh my God, you have all the answers. You’ve actually gone through this and you know how to go through this. It was quite bizarre. It was all happening at that time. And of course I was really concerned about, you know, the West Coast and a lot of my peers were kind of contacting me to find whether it worked and how they can protect themselves and then I got an opportunity to also actually go to Japan because I think there was a lot of fear at that time.
And still there’s a lot of fear because a lot of people don’t actually understand what had happened or what kind of complications can be because the media can either downplayed or be up played and you really don’t know where the true information is. So for me it was an amazing opportunity to actually go there, to be there, to find out what levels are at in Japan, to work with people there. And so, that was a great experience. A lot of my colleagues and the peers were like, oh my God, you can’t go there. You’re gonna die.
Katrine: And literally they were checking me when I came back with their radiation meters to make sure that I didn’t bring anything home.
Katrine: But, I was really solid in my protocol and my protocol for, you know, protecting my body and also my direction of thought. I mean nothing was going to be – I think our thoughts and our emotions are a really huge part in our recovering also in whether we’re going to be affected by something or not. And especially something like radiation that has so much fear around it because it’s so misunderstood and it can be so damaging, so quickly damaging. That I think this fear a lot of times creates more damage in people than the actual radiation themselves. You know, I know that statistically a lot of people in Chernobyl and in Fukushima died from stress actually not from the radioactivity itself.
Katrine: Yeah, because, you know –
Sara: How do you measure something like that? Like how can you determine stress as cause of death?
Katrine: Yeah, they can measure it by looking at the radioactive particles in the body. So the exposure and also the kind of effects and I’m talking about radiation sickness, I’m not talking cancer, you know.
Sara: Right, yes.
Katrine: Radiation is a very complex subject when we’re talking about the body exposure and, you know, politically correct and nuclear atomic condition there, have these very strict rules of what can be considered radiation use or not. But really, in reality, even a little bit of radioactive particles, half radioactive particles that are being released from nuclear facilities. Because those particles are man-made, they are not nature made. For example there is lots of radiation in our environment, there is background radiation and there is constant radiation, there are radioactive particles in our soil. They are natural that we have adapted to, that we have time to adapt to. We have hundreds, thousands of years to adapt. But the main radiation is only now at 70 years and it’s so new that we have really haven’t had the chance to adapt to those particles. So you can’t really compare the radiation that you get from, you know, eating a banana that has some, or the active potassium in it, which is natural to radiation that you’re getting from nuclear facility, right. And radioactive system, let’s say, that is very close to radioactive potassium in a cell structure because our body hasn’t had the time to adapt to it and to incorporate it.
So when those particles make into our bodies, and depending what kind of genetic dispositions we have, what kind of lifestyle we have, ability to deal with toxins and rebuild growth factors, all of these things will come into play to see how it will actually affect us. So, it can be something that will induce let’s say, cancer that you have been exposed to anyway much faster or diabetes or your body might be, might have all the tools to be able to deal with it. So it’s like very interesting subject but –
Sara: And complex.
Katrine: I think too a lot of my colleagues that are, you know, much more better scientists, nuclear scientists than I am obviously, that’s what they do. They say that no radioactive particles are safe in the body. You know, it’s like it’s something that we don’t want to have. And of course with Fukushima, we had a complete melt out, not even melt down. It’s a melt out of the nuclear reactor. So basically the whole core has melted out and this will spread all over the place. And there is such a thing as a hot particle, which comes in a form of very, like very, very behind blood dust that comes from Fukushima that is one billion, trillion times more radioactive than you should be exposed to.
So none of those particles makes into someone’s body that spells a lot of disaster, you know. And so it’s like, it’s a very interesting subject and, you know, like I’m continuing learning more about it and I do believe that radioactive exposure has been one of the factors that we see in such a decline in the health of, you know, in North America, definitely. You can even see it does that nuclear testing and the times that they are there, we’re doing it. There is data showing that every time they would stop the nuclear testing and like 50s, their health of population, the nation would go up.
And then every time they started up, they’d go down. So there are definite increases. There is also some data from one of my mentors and friends John Ashleigh showing how women with breast cancer usually, you know, like this high percentage of them I think it was like 80% live within 100 miles of a nuclear station. And if you look at the map of United States, most of the major cities have nuclear stations within 100 miles from them. So, it was like some of those things that we’re being exposed to all the time plus on top of that, not having good nutrients, having a lot of stress.
Stress is massive too. You know, just the amount of internal toxins that you make just from stressing out because it’s just … The amount of stress of being created now that was created let’s say 100 years ago is completely different. And that, there is a lot of mental stress and a lot of stress about the society and also not moving enough, not having enough practices in our life that help us deal with that stress. And of sitting, a lot of our culture is sitting nowadays, you know, sitting in front of computer, sitting in school, we’re doing a lot of sitting. That’s stressful on the body as well. So it’s bad for our lymphatic system, it creates a lot of toxins. So like a lot of the things kind of come into play to put in a place where we’re at right now.
Sara: Right. I like how you say that, how there are so many things we can’t control in our lives but we have to face it, we have to get over it. That a lot of the toxicity we’re exposed to, we can’t really help. You know, if someone has a job where they sit at the desk all day, they can try and invest in a treadmill desk or sit on, you know, exercise bars or something. But, it’s not really that practical for them especially if you are raising a family to just quit your job so that you can do something that’s less toxic.
But, so I’d love to jump in to maybe some practical ways that you can start kind of cleaning yourself on a daily basis to really be able to thrive in a world that’s pumping us with things that are trying to keep us from doing that.
Katrine: Yeah, absolutely. So, for an average person who does a normal diet, for let’s say a day, get up and eat and bagel and some kind of pastry and a coffee or even cereal and run off to work. You know, a lot of the people have kind of been sold on the idea that cereal is really good for you. I usually say, you know, there’s couple of things that you can do just with your diet daily that help you a lot to detox. Switching your morning, first morning meal to a liquid meal, having a small even some vegan protein or if you’re not dairy yet, you have maybe some pretty high quality dairy protein.
And, doing that, maybe adding some super foods like cheese or seeds, maybe some greens and fresh greens. So doing something because when we wake up, our body is still in the state of detox. That’s why it’s called breakfast. You know, breaking fast basically. And it helps a lot with just switching that and giving some nutrients, right in the morning, right in the beginning. It kind of helps us to get into kind of more of a cleansing mode. Second thing I usually say is, switch one of your meals for just a big large salad. You know, that’s how we can start doing it.
Have a salad with avocado, you can add some grains or you can even eat some animal proteins because some people do have some piece of fish or whatever you’re using. But have one big salad instead of one of your meals. And switch your sugar. Get rid of all the sugar in your life. Switch to raw desserts, you can – they are amazing. Everybody who starts doing raw desserts, they can’t believe how tasty it is. And like I’m doing, I was thinking a couple of times into training like really high end chefs for raw food families and that’s what they do. They are like high end chefs, you know, make this kind of food. And they were [00:46:04] how fast, how easy and how versatile it is to make a raw dessert with just a few ingredients, right? And, this, just that, the switching those foods out like help us a lot with managing a lot of the sugar induced toxicity that is in our body. Mostly getting rid of that addiction as well. So getting switched to natural sugars, natural foods and, you know, maybe for some people who are having a lot of bacteria and digestive problems, even going further out and going low glycemic, go stereo glycemic can use the things like mangrove extracts, the yacon syrup, things that really low on glycemic index and don’t feed the bad bacteria in our body.
So doing those three things do massive differences for a lot of people. And then usually, I suggest if possible if you’re just starting out maybe once a month, you’d take a couple of days where you’d go completely liquid, it’s just drinks smoothie and eat soups all day. Just vegetable soups and go vegan for three days, right? So it’s just baby steps, just doing that will usually give you an idea of how you feel. And usually after three days of being vegan or going on a liquid diet, people go like, “Oh my God, it feels so much better.”
Sara: Right. It kind of gives your digestive system a break because like you were saying, I mean our digestive tract is our number one form of elimination to get junk out of our systems and we so want that, you know, working efficiently.
Katrine: So that food wise, the other one, the most important actually usually what I teach people is breathing. You know, and we really are shallow breathers and really others, only few people are having breathing practice nowadays and that’s the number one nutrient. We breathe more oxygen into our body than anything else. You can go without water, you can go without food but you can’t go without oxygen. And it’s very important to oxygenate ourselves and to really get into breathing practice even like having 10, 15 minutes a day in the morning or maybe in the evening where you really just concentrate in your breathing slowing down, you pay attention to your breath.
And focus on expanding your ribcage and expanding your diaphragm. Or taking up a yoga class or buying a CD that guides you through a breathing practice. That does a huge amount of detoxification. You know, it literally pumps ourselves full of oxygen and moves some of the waste out. And it’s also incredible for the lymphatic system. Our lymphatic system is bigger than our blood system. It’s like the biggest liquid system in our body. And this is our sewerage system. And we don’t move it enough anymore because we are again, with our sitting lifestyles, a lot of toxins in just environment and everywhere.
And it needs to be continuously pumped to be able to be cleansed. It’s like, you can go with in your house and the toilet may be broken for a couple of days but it was plugged out for months, you know, it really builds up. So, the same thing with our lymphatic system, because it’s the main sewerage system, you have to get it moving. So things like sitting also basically stops our lymphatic system for proper movement. I usually teach my clients, you know, once a day, not once a day, so once an hour, just put your shoulders back and really open your chest, just that movement alone really opens up the lymphatic ducts right in your chest like your main lymphatic ducts and it gets a little bit more oxygen in that. And then something easy that we can do, you know, air is free too.
Katrine: Or, you know, taking me little breaks, I also teach people about Uranus and every time you are getting into your – a new activity. Or let’s say you just stopped talking to a client on the phone and you need to get into your emails, right. Just pausing for like a minute or two, and you’re just constantly moving into the new activity. And you’re taking a few breaths and consciously more in doing your activity and you noticed just few things about your body and about your mind where you’re at right or you connect.
Sara: If you’re at the office, taking an excuse to go chat up with a co-worker or walk around the office, visit someone. And any excuse to kind of get up and get moving and –
Katrine: Yeah, you can still do all those typing and everything but just taking consciously a few breaths; it’s a practice that you have to learn to do because it doesn’t come naturally anymore for us, which is crazy.
Katrine: Because all we do, we breathe every day. So but, it is very important to do. The other thing is very easy, doing something about your water. A lot of people drink water out of tap and it’s horrible. Tap water is just so toxic and poisonous and has fluoride and chlorine and so many heavy metals and particles of, you know, radiation and then medical things that just … And a lot of people do watered plastic bottles which a lot of times is not that much better. So I’m a huge proponent of doing something at home and I go, you know, people got mad about, you know, water is not being treated perfectly.
But, you can’t blame the government or whoever it is. What you can do is control your own environment. So having something at home that can really cleanse your water, so making it clean. Maybe getting – adding some minerals to it, taking in the next further, you know, a step further. Water is amazing, you can have like a whole lecture on that one. Doing something for your water to have it more electrically charged or an alkalizer. So many different things that you can do to it, but at least have it clean.
You know, and there’s a lot of inexpensive solutions nowadays like one of the filters that I recommend that take out radioactive particles is called trap, T-R-A-P. It’s only $55, you know, and this is inexpensive and it is a good filter to have in your house especially if you live in the West Coast or close to nuclear facility.
Katrine: So there’s a lot of solutions here. So it’s good sometimes but be sure you are, you know, send me a message if you are looking for some solutions but it’s – they have –
Sara: And now about, so talked about, yes, clean your water which is huge that plays such a massive role actually.
Katrine: And not just clean the water, drink it.
Sara: Yeah, I think yeah, that’s true. The obvious that’s not so obvious sometimes. Yeah. Absolutely that it plays so many roles but what about I know you also you mentioned the skin is being kind of a secondary, one of our largest methods of elimination and getting rid of toxins.
Sara: Is there any particular treatment or something you recommend to really keep your skin as an effective way to release toxins?
Katrine: Yes, absolutely. Number one favorite, favorite thing is sweating. Sweating, whether it is, doing an exercise or going to Bikram yoga or whatever you’re doing. If someone is really serious about detoxing, and you know, they purchase something like that. I do highly recommend infrared saunas or near infrared lamps that can be picked up for $300, $400. You can actually have it in your bathroom, in your shower and just be exposed to the light, maybe daily or every other day. Because it really goes deep into our body, creates heat that goes deep into our body and pulls off a lot of the toxic particles.
So it’s good for cleansing, not just the skin but the whole system, so, especially because we’re getting exposed to all those heavy metals all the time. So it’s amazing for keeping your skin young and healthy and also getting rid a lot of toxins. Second thing I usually use a lot and, you know, I kind of had get into the habit, you know, someone as disciplined as I am to do it. Sometimes I forget to do it. It’s the skin brushing, dry skin brushing. Just getting our skin brushed and brushing your skin daily for like 10 minutes is a lot of – there’s a lot of different sites where you pick the exact instructions but it’s also really great to get rid of all that dead skin. And, it’s extremely helpful actually. The infrared sauna is for ladies and the infrared saunas and the skin brush and there is also coping, basically like using special little plastic caps to glide around your legs for cellulite. A lot of my clients that have problems with cellulite, they will just do that and they find that that helps a lot just like with getting that moving, getting the skin moving, right?
Katrine: And so, bath, doing detoxifying bath, amazing also for cleansing out the skin because again we can pull a lot of toxins out and it’s also very inexpensive. We can do, my favorite ones is usually using epsom salt, apple cider vinegar and baking soda. That’s my favorite detoxifying bath. You can get really creative …
Sara: And that’s simple and it’s inexpensive and –
Katrine: Yes, simple, inexpensive.
You can also use hydrogen peroxide, it feels great too, you know. If you got some kind of infections, you can use clay, a lot of medical clays are nowadays available for – and you can do it as a mudpack or just basically using a mud all over your body and then just washing it all. All putting in your bath, so it’s like, again, it’s very inexpensive but you just kind of getting used to it and doing it on a daily basis or usually at least once a week, I do one of those detoxifying baths. I also recommend, you know, a little bit of routine because you kind of get used to that a little bit more and for my busy clients as they choose one day a week where you can do few things for yourself.
So let’s say, Sundays. We have a joke with my clients, the coffee enema Sunday. A lot of my clients and the friends do coffee enema on Sundays because they have time to do it and that’s enough –
Sara: Tell me a little bit about that. So, many people just rant and rave about how much they love their coffee enema. And they think it’s something that sounds really, really intimidating to most people like –
Katrine: You know, it does. It does. You know, most of my clients that when I first talk to them about coffee enema, first they go like uh-hmm, uh-hmm.
Sara: Yeah, sure.
Katrine: And that’s been like –
Sara: You lost me with the enemas.
Katrine: Yeah, they may buy the package, you know, then they buy the coffee. Then it sits on their table for maybe couple of months. Then finally they do it and they call me right away after I’m like: “Oh my God, it’s the best thing ever.” So it’s a very – yeah, it can be very intimidating, actually for myself personally for someone who has done so much colonic irrigation and cleansing. That’s where it started with colonic cleansing, is basically going to a therapist because like, well, you know, if this is coming out in one’s tube and you know, there’s no mess and there’s someone there to make sure it’s all going perfectly, right?
So there’s a little bit of fear and all of that and also this kind of yucky factor, right? So I have done this for years and, you know, every time someone would be talking to me about coffee enema, and go like, “Why would I do that? You know, I can just go to a colon hydrotherapist and get colonic.” And it’s completely two different things. So it took me actually a long time to start doing it myself. And once again, once you do it once, you get over this whole factor of yuckiness or some kind of fear that you have about it and you really feel amazing afterwards. Like most of the people that are using it, that’s one of the reasons they rave about it, it makes you feel very good.
It’s not the same as drinking coffee at all. It detoxifies your liver, in increases production in little time, increases antioxidant in your body, so it’s a very rejuvenating and anti-aging. And also of course cleansing the colon, that’s an amazing way of keeping ahead of a lot of toxicity and because we are supposed to do a lot of that. And it’s not damaging. A lot of the colonics and I’ve done this, do this myself, you know, I’ve got a little bit overboard and doing too many, you know, it happens sometimes. You get into this like mode of trying to get it all out.
Sara: Right, right.
Katrine: So even this colonics, I have gone to places where I, you know, basically got rid of too much of a good bacteria because when you’re doing colonics, you have so much water moving through your body, it’s like over and out there is more water pumping through the body through the colon where, so that it removes cell dead, beneficial bacteria too if you overdo them. These coffee enemas, you know, like I know of many practitioners and many of my mentors that have been doing them for God knows how many years. And they don’t have any problems with their bacterial balance because it’s not as much water and it works in a little bit different level.
And a lot of people go like, well, will I get addicted to it? No, you don’t. It actually helps you rebuild your digestive tract and also getting a little bit of pumping action and getting bit of static contractions in the colon. So, you know, and if someone is just starting out, they’ll usually not as maybe your next day, they might not have a bowel movement but after doing them consistently let’s say for, you know, a couple of months but it’s not a problem anymore. It’s like your system normalizes to it. And so, they are incredible for detoxifying heavy metals as well. And, some of it is active particles, that’s why they’ve been used in Gerson Therapy, juicing for people that have cancer.
Sara: Yeah. I was going to say the very first interview in our premier issue of Raw Food Magazine was with the woman June Mann who is just fabulous and a total inspiration. But she was trying to heal herself from and she did successfully from stage four bone and breast cancer that had metastasized and it’s spreading throughout her body and in addition to the raw and the juicing, coffee enema was one of her things that she did on a weekly basis. And that’s one of the things that she kept doing, you know, after post cancer recovery, post all of that, she still does it like maybe once a month or so.
Katrine: Yeah, I have a period sometimes where I do it like, you know, once a month or sometimes I do it weekly or if it’s a cleansing season for me. Let’s say, and that’s another thing that I teach people. It’s a normal thing to cleanse your body. You’re cleaning your house every spring or, you got it. It’s the same with your body. It’s important to clean out major organs couple of times a year or at least once a year. So from a cleansing cycle, let’s say, in the spring a lot of my clients and myself and my friends will go on a liver cleansing because it’s the right time to rejuvenate the liver.
So it’s a good time to integrate a lot of the coffee enema because they help us cleanse the liver and prepare for let’s say liver cleanse or gall bladder flash or whatever you’re doing. So, and those times sometimes I’ll do it daily. Let’s say, for a couple of weeks just because I’m on a cleansing cycle. So it depends, you learn about your body and you learn what is good but you have to do those kinds of things to learn.
Katrine: It’s like, I always laugh about it, we’re walking human experiments. You know, whether you know it or not, there’s an experiment going on.
Sara: Yeah, absolutely. And I’ve love to slow down for just a second cause we have had so many fabulous ideas here and so much energy and it’s just beautiful. But it could be overwhelming to someone. And like, okay, so we have our coffee enemas and out diet changes for over, to clean our digestive tract and cleaning our water and dry skin brushing and doing all these things. How can you – have you helped motivate, maybe your clients, like where do they start? How can you get them to start with one thing and build on that instead of looking at all these options and maybe like, whoa, I can’t do it all so I quit.
Katrine: Yes, well it’s – we’ve been really working one-on-one each person. It’s a real difference as a coach. And this is why I prefer coaching versus consulting. A lot of people go like, well why wouldn’t you do consulting which is just like one-time thing, you tell them what to do and they leave.
Katrine: Coaching is very much more integrative and you get to know the person, you get to know their lifestyle. And you get to see how they are integrating those changes in their lives. So, everyone is different, everyone has the ability to handle new information and new practices or changes in the diet. So, motivating, it’s really, rarely right, really have to motivate someone. It’s mostly, most of the time something we come into some kind of block, it’s usually some kind of emotional block or some kind of belief that they hold about themselves.
Usually it’s the – it’s a little bit more of a coaching and psychological kind of unwinding. So, I don’t really do anything, I just direct to the platform to show them where they’re at with their thoughts. So, this is less motivating, it’s more showing the person, you know, like how they can transform themselves. It’s just there to reflect. But these physical things, as you start slow and you start where the person is at. Sometimes you get someone super eager and they are just so good, they are just integrating everything right away, right?
Katrine: There is a need for starters that usually always recommend, know where you’re at. You know, like that’s one of things that I didn’t do and a lot of things while I was experiencing so much pain and suffering when I was doing a lot of cleansing stuff. It’s like, I didn’t know, I didn’t know what was needed for me. So with most of my clients, we go through a few testings and you know, we do a hair sample to see what kind of hair metals they have or, you know, they get a blood sample to see what else is going on with them nutritionally.
Because a lot of my clients are not here, we work online or over the phone. So I don’t see them in person. So I need to see some data. So we first find out and recognize where they’re at. That’s number one, number two is getting the person to write down their daily habits and their daily eating routine and their emotional environment. It’s not just tracking down your food and time you ate, it’s also tracking how you felt and what kind of environment you were in. It’s more for the client than me.
For me, of course it’s just to learn more about them. But they have an amazing self-exploration process because when they’re writing things down for five, you know, to 10 days let’s say. They go like, oh my God, I do eat when I am stressed out or I do eat sugar when I come home because I’m trying to relax, you know –
Sara: Yeah, I never noticed before.
Katrine: So, it’s one of the most amazing ways for someone to start out to really just pay attention and to just start writing things down and not just what time I ate and what I ate but also how you felt in an environment you were in. And you start noticing patterns and you start seeing little things you can change for the better. Now, whether this coming home and relaxing, taking a bath instead of going to the fridge. Or having a glass of wine or little things like that. They make a lot of difference and some of the things a person can do on their own, just like paying attention to their regular bill, things that they do.
Sara: Right, knowing –
Katrine: Whereas most are positive. And then, you know, once they know where they’re at and once they recognize also what kind of patterns they usually run, right, they kind of develop a plan from their own and their new ability. This is what I always called myself, what I do is lifestyle management. And then like someone’s lifestyle, so like how can you go to the next level and get healthier without sacrificing too much.
Katrine: It’s not that you are sacrificing what, it’s how you feel about it, right, to pursue this stress. So, a lot of the things they talk about it like you said for people might be stressful. But it’s only their perception, if it’s brought in into a very conclusive and cohesive way into someone’s life, it’s not stressful anymore.
Sara: Yeah, taking a look at your lifestyle and say like okay, you want to feel good, you want to relax and finding healthier ways to achieve the same feelings and the same goals.
Katrine: So, basically, yeah, that’s how we do it. We go look where the person is at and where they want to go and depending on their lifestyle, how long it is going to take them, how long it is going to take them to shift into that new state of being and integrating a lot of the things that you’d want to integrate or finding things that you’d want to integrate and some that they don’t, you know.
Katrine: And people don’t work to wake up and do skin brushing, it’s just not what they do. For some people it does, they feel amazing after doing that. So it’s just finding those, right, because there are many roads to health. There are many roads to well-being. It’s just finding the right one for you.
Katrine: And, you know, being also aware that there is lots of ways of getting there. There’s lots of ways of getting to our goal. Finding those little things that work for us specifically for our life.
Sara: Yes, I completely agree and I just want to thank you so much, Katrine, for being here and there has been so much information, so many good ideas and I am sure and I hope sincerely that people that are listening will be inspired and catch on to one of those ideas and maybe try today and try new one tomorrow, find those things that really resonate with them and make their bodies feel really good and really whole. And so, for those of you that would love to learn more about some of these topics, please go check out Katrine Volynsky’s book Staying Alive in a Toxic World.
And, Katrine, if someone that is listening would like to find more information about you, or perhaps schedule a coaching session or look into having one-on-one coaching with you, where should they go to find you?
Katrine: Well, it’s KatrineVolynsky.com. That’s my main website and there is information on how to contact me. And yes, come and check out. We also have a free radiation guide that I give out to people who are concerned about the situation of what they can do daily to protect themselves. It’s right out there on our website and some information also on my Facebook. I post a lot of stuff in my Facebook and so people can connect with me through that as well. It’s Katrine Volynsky on the Facebook. And yeah, check out the book too. It’s a very easy guide to how to stay and thrive in this toxic world, and basically just gives the keys to what has made my journey easy and what can work very easily for every person in that book.
Sara: Wonderful! Yes, and do check out and on her website the guide that she is talking about is excellent and you’ll get a lot of good reminders. And if you enjoyed the information today, I definitely encourage you to enter your email and check that out. So again, thank you so much, Katrine, for being with us here today. And thank you for listening everyone.
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